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I have read this page about reishiki and I have a question about the za-rei. kneeling bow at the beginning or end of the class.

There is also a description on this dutch website. http://home.pi.be/~lievel/judo/groeten.html about the zarei difference for women and men:

Vanuit de stand, met de hielen aangesloten, plaats men de linkerknie naast de rechtervoet, vervolgens de rechterknie naast de linker en duwt de rechter dikke teen de linker dikke teen, naar een strekking. Men komt in zit op de hielen en plaatst de handen tegen de lies met de vingers naar binnen gericht. Tussen de knieën is er bij de heren een afstand van ongeveer twee vuisten. Bij de dames zijn de knieën aangesloten. De handen glijden over de dijen en worden tien centimeter voor de knieën op de mat geplaatst met de vingers lichtjes naar binnen gekeerd. Daarna buigt men de armen en laat de romp ongeveer 30° voorwaarts neigen. Men keert terug in zit.Om recht te komen gaat men omgekeerd te werk, tenen in de mat plaatsen, de rechtervoet en vervolgens de linkervoet op de mat zetten en komen tot een sluitstand.

[Standing with the heels connected, place the left knee next to the right foot, then the right knee next to the left and extend the right and left big toes. Seated on the heels, place the hands against the groin with the fingers to the inside. Between the gentlemen's knees should be a distance of about two fists. The ladies' knees are together. The hands glide down across the thighs about ten centimeters from the knees, angling slightly inward. Let the arms bend at the elbows, and bend the torso forward about 30°; then return upright. When it's time, pull the toes to the mat, then rise on the right foot first, then the left foot and stand, feet to a closed position.]

The difference is that the men have two fists distance between the knees and women close their knees. But my question is about the proper position of the hands on the upperleg. Where should you put them? and is there a difference between man and woman?

I have heard that you should put them on the end of your judogi-jacket. I have heard stories about putting them high up your leg. or almost at your knees. enter image description here

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The traditional way to sit for men is indeed with 2 fists in between. Women can choose to close their legs but should definitely not be forced to.

The placing of the hands is with your hands facing each other, placed on the end of your Judogi. You put your elbows outward. When you bow you simply place your hands in front of you the same way they are placed on your tighs.

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Ok, so for the hands there is no difference between genders. and it should be on the end of the gi. Do you have a source url for it? –  JP Hellemons Oct 14 '13 at 10:08
    
These are the traditional rules, but the rules may vary depending on the dojo. Some dojo's decided to modernize and have their own greeting, but in the dojo I train we honour the traditional rules. –  MilanSxD Oct 15 '13 at 13:37
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The reason for modernizing the greeting is because the Seiza is mostly uncomfortable for European/American practitioners, since they are often not used to the Seiza since young ages. This means that their joints are not flexible enough to sit correctly. The reason for the difference between man and woman in modern European/American practitioners regarding the closing of the legs is because Europe and America are more set on seperating male and female. This has been the case for many things. In Japan however, you are treated the same in martial arts since a student is a student. –  MilanSxD Oct 15 '13 at 13:49
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