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I had previously been taught by my sensei that in front stance the weight is over the knee in front stance. This is to allow for quickly kicking mae geri (since there is no shifting of weight forward for balance).

However, this makes it difficult and slow to turn 180 degrees in kata that demand it (e.g. Heian Shodan moves 2 -> 3) because the weight has to transfer back through to the centre and then behind.

Should the weight be over the front knee in front stance? If so how much?

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Fair disclosure, I do not currently practice Shotokan, but I do practice Tae Kwon Do which has a front stance and requires 180 degree turns. There may be technical differences that I am unaware of.

Drawing Into Center

Typically, when executing a 180 turn there will be a drawing in to center to recover balance. This drawing in will compensate for any forward weight in a front stance. Yes, it is clumsy, but part of forms training is learning how to execute powerful moves in awkward positions. My suggestion is that you may be missing the drawing in to center prior to the turn, or it may be a technical requirement of your teacher or your style that there be no drawing in to center.

At 17 Seconds in this video, the Shotokan practitioner appears to be demonstrating the drawing into center that I am referencing. Notice how his moving foot passes very close to his standing foot as the foot moving to the front stance passes at a straight diagonal from one front stance to the next.

Zenkutsu Dachi

Zenkutsu Dachi as with TKD front stance should be 70% weighted forward. My rule of thumb is that the knee must not go in front of the toes or behind the ankle.

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Pivot on the Ball of the Foot

I re-emphasize that I am not fully aware of the weight placement in Shotokan, but in TKD, the weight is mainly in the balls of the feet most of the time. Some of the awkwardness of spins and turns can be overcome by ensuring that you are properly pivoting on the balls of the feet.

However, in the aforementioned video, the practitioner does seem to be pivoting on the ball of the foot.

  • I practice shorinjiryu karatedo, which shares its roots with shotokan karatedo, and your graph is pretty spot on. As for the "turning on the ball of your foot" part, Pinan/Heian Shodan is a very basic and linear kata, involving few turns. In the video you linked, you can see he is turning from a position of power, using his back leg as a support and simply shifting is foot to the proper direction using his heel as a pivot. In actual combat, this might not be possible, as your opponent will not be static, but katas are where you try to train with "perfect" form. – Dungarth Feb 26 '16 at 15:49
  • Interesting, so are you saying the heel is the pivot point, i.e. the weight is in the heel as you pivot? – The Wudang Kid Feb 26 '16 at 15:52
  • I also concur with this. There is another aspect to the positioning of the knee: you risk ligament injury around the knee if it is repeatedly incorrectly positioned. There's also the mechanics of it - the knee is strongest when between the ankle and the toe. – slugster Feb 27 '16 at 4:48
  • @TheWudangKid - It's mostly used for 90 degrees turns on the front leg's side (i.e. turning left when left leg is in front). It looks "sharper" for kata exams, as you minimize movement. We usually agree that it's not practical when moving around in a fight, however, so we have other exercises to practice movement in general. – Dungarth Feb 27 '16 at 15:25
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    Weve always been taught never ever pivot on your heel. – BugFinder Feb 27 '16 at 23:58
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It's a mistake to think of karate stances as static. They are not.

When fighting you will be in a stance for a fraction of a second. Therefore there is no correct static weight distribution.

Having said that, all stances have a purpose, and it's not always the same purpose. For example shiko/kiba dachi can be used to lower your body, e.g. applying an arm bar, as per Naihanchi/Tekki shodan, or it can be used to attack an opponent's balance.

The application for Heian Shodan movements 2->3 is to lunge forwards and grab the back of the opponent's neck (collar, hair or perhaps shoulder). The zenkutsu-dachi hits the back of his leg and breaks his balance. The following 180° rotation with gedan barai pulls the opponent over backwards.

Here is a video example of the uses of zenkutsu dachi by Eonida and shiko or kiba dachi by Machida. The Machida application is directly out of Pinan Shodan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jseW5QikD6U

Notice the stance is dynamic and retained for a fraction of a second in both cases.

  • I absolutely agree with you but just to be nit-picky and semantic I think your first and last sentences need to be refined: stances are static and prescriptive but it is a mistake to think you only stand/fight statically in stances. Your movement is dynamic, stances are finishing positions, they are part of the delivery of a technique (after which you move on). Stances are static but everything around them is dynamic. But still a good answer :) – slugster Mar 1 '16 at 21:31
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    I think they went wrong when they went through and catalogued all of the stances. Put them in boxes. I'm pretty sure the old Okinawans originally simply said lean back, lunge forwards. It's really not a good way to teach people movement. – ColinSeligSmith Mar 1 '16 at 22:20
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I am a current student of JKA Shotokan Karate. From my notes from the last Gassuku in Honbu Dojo, we went over front stance in fine detail for most of the week. The JKA teaches more of a 60% / 40% weight distribution, with the front of the knee in line with the end of the metatarsals (specifically from one instructor, a plumb line from the knee will hang at the base of the 'V' between your big toe and second toe).

Foot positions as per the diagram posted by The Wudang Kid, though the common element I've heard in the dojo is 'One shoulder wide, 2 shoulders long'. Front foot turned slightly inwards, to make the outer edge of the foot a straight line.

The feeling of the stance should not be pushing forward at the knee, but a feeling of stability at the knee, and lowering of the hips into the stance. We are also taught to never grip the floor with the toes.

To address the turn movement 2 -> 3 in Heian Shodan, the practitioner shall shift their weight from the forward leg through the center, while keeping their supporting (back) foot flat on the floor. Turning on the heel of the foot, the transitioning foot comes through the center, in more or less a straight line, to the finishing position.

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"Should the weight be over the front knee in front stance? If so how much?"

Short answer No. Please consider that the percentage of weight is the product of a few other factors. These factors will vary slightly based on body type. Just saying 70% weight over the knee is not doing the stance justice. - Make "your" front stance the correct length and width. - Be lower first, then longer. - Edges outside of your feet are straight (your lead foot might be turned in slightly) - Your weight sits behind your front heel. <-- - Grab the floor with your feet and sink. - Get your butt under you and keep it there. Activate your ab muscles - Tendons in the feet, ankle, and knee must have light active tension.

For my body type, my butt sits right behind my lead heel if you drew a line. This produces knee over foot when I add in the other factors above. Is it 75% 70% 72%? No idea. It is dynamic and I can step or shift from stance to stance quickly and efficiently.

You should have an active tension to the floor. Beginner karate-ka make "skeletal strength." They have reached a point flexibility wise where they can make certain stance shapes. But they can't move from stance to stance efficiently.

Test your front stance. Can you move in any direction with out "double stepping," or standing up? When in front stance (full hip and half) what happens when you lift your front foot? If your weight is forward, you should go forward. If your weight is in the middle, that's kiba-dachi. Make a spring using your foot, ankle, knee, and hip joints.

Kagawa is something else. Love his teaching style. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKdU7Wm7L80

Moving from move 2 to 3 in Heian Shodan...think step behind with the movement starting in your hips. I turn on the middle of my foot or whole foot. Your hip action will make your feet work.

Sincerely.

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