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Most people that have been practicing BJJ or most other grappling arts for a while know that it can be hard to maintain position while finishing a submission. This is why BJJ often has "backup" submissions or techniques in case the first one fails. For example, people that fail to finish a triangle choke (or lose the position ) often transition to an armbar and finish that way.

But what I want to know is whether or not there are any existing submissions/positions in any martial art where you can actually finish two or more submissions at once without sacrificing dominance or giving up control. Something that I'm thinking of is some kind of armbar from a scissor choke, or just an armbar that is also Kimura or Americana(for those who don't know, those are both examples of powerful shoulder submissions). The reason that I'm asking is that if there is such a position, this could raise the finishing rate of myself and my classmates during rolling/sparring.

  • You should ask someone better at Danaher-style leglocks than me whether any Double Trouble leg entanglements can actually be used for simultaneous attack. I don't know any and it sounds low-percentage, but it's possible. – Dave Liepmann Apr 23 at 15:39
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There are a few positions where you can finish multiple submissions simultaneously or nearly so.

Triangle

If you look at the triangle as a position, then a lot of other submissions present themselves as co-attacks. The triangle-armbar is the classic; it's often unclear which one does the most work in any given case. The triangle-Kimura is also great fun.

S-mount

The S-mount is basically an almost-armbar plus an opportunity for a bunch of other attacks: collar chokes, an omoplata, a triangle transition, or taking the back. But I don't think I use it to finish multiple attacks simultaneously. Maybe once after passing the arm to the hip side for the armbar while hitting a bow-and-arrow choke? That's feasible but getting into Harlem Globetrotters territory.

Omoplata

I find a double-attack position challenging to find here, but I chalk that up to my skill deficiencies, not the position. For the more dextrous, the omoplata provides several multiple-threat possibilities, because it's such a controlling position while also being its own submission. Consider the toe hold (a la Frank Mir vs. Tank Abott), the collar choke, the wristlock on the near arm, and pulling the far arm straight like a lever. Some of these can be done fairly simultaneously.

Back control

Sometimes a choke from back control isn't really about the choke, but an excuse for someone to tap out to the nasty body triangle you've slowly been crushing them in for minutes, like a constricting python.

Crucifix

I like to get an armbar with my lower body (triangle on the forearm, extend hip into the elbow) while finishing a sliding collar choke (okuri-eri-jime). There are some other options from here, such as a Kimura. These are true simultaneous submissions.

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  • All good examples. But there are just way too many examples. My suggestion is to look up some submission sequences on YouTube and also get with some local BJJ schools to show you some where you can actually try them out. I'm a little thrown back that the guard wasn't mentioned. There are TONS of subs available here that can be combined with sweeps. – Joe Beck Aug 19 at 2:22
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Yes. From triangle (sankaku) positions, there is the standard choke with the legs as well as the option to apply armbars. For example, from this side triangle position, if the choke fails, you can either cross body armbar (juji gatame) the near arm, or Kimura (ude garami) the far arm. sankaku

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  • You said that when the choke fails there are those three submissions. But do you have to alter your position slightly in order to do the other submissions? What I'm asking is if there are any positions where you "double tap" someone, meaning get them to tap because of multiple submissions applied at once. – LemmyX Apr 23 at 15:06
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    This belly-down "pinning triangle" is common in judo and definitely can be performed as a simultaneous choke and udegarami. A jujigatame is more often a combination attack but can in some circumstance be simultaneous. – Dave Liepmann Apr 23 at 15:12
  • @Lemmyx You can do a choke simultaneously with either armbar. The far arm is easier to attack without shifting. – mattm Apr 23 at 15:13
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jigoku jime (hell strangle). Start with Hassami jime then jigoku jime. Ashi gatame - ude garami,

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