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What the second hand in okuri-eri-jime does is securing the shoulder, even if it does so holding the lapel. That is why jigoku-jime is considered okuri-eri: one limb is securing the shoulder, one hand is closing around the neck.

Since clock choke (or koshi-jime) does the same, it has to be considered a variant of okuri-eri-jime.

Regarding bow-and-arrow, it's the same: since the shoulder is the fixed counter-point, it is okuri-eri-jime.

Kata-te-jime is without active fixation, it can basically only be performed against the ground, from above, or against a passive part of the body behind uke's neck.

Official classifications are hard to find, therefore this is derived purely from the underlying principles of the chokes as demonstrated in katame-no-kata.

What the second hand in okuri-eri-jime does is securing the shoulder, even if it does so holding the lapel. That is why jigoku-jime is considered okuri-eri: one limb is securing the shoulder, one hand is closing around the neck.

Since clock choke (or koshi-jime) does the same, it has to be considered a variant of okuri-eri-jime.

Regarding bow-and-arrow, it's the same: since the shoulder is the fixed counter-point, it is okuri-eri-jime.

Kata-te-jime is without active fixation, it can basically only be performed against the ground, from above.

Official classifications are hard to find, therefore this is derived purely from the underlying principles of the chokes as demonstrated in katame-no-kata.

What the second hand in okuri-eri-jime does is securing the shoulder, even if it does so holding the lapel. That is why jigoku-jime is considered okuri-eri: one limb is securing the shoulder, one hand is closing around the neck.

Since clock choke (or koshi-jime) does the same, it has to be considered a variant of okuri-eri-jime.

Regarding bow-and-arrow, it's the same: since the shoulder is the fixed counter-point, it is okuri-eri-jime.

Kata-te-jime is without active fixation, it can basically only be performed against the ground from above, or against a passive part of the body behind uke's neck.

Official classifications are hard to find, therefore this is derived purely from the underlying principles of the chokes as demonstrated in katame-no-kata.

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What the second hand in okuri-eri-jime does is securing the shoulder, even if it does so holding the lapel. That is why jigoku-jime is considered okuri-eri: one limb is securing the shoulder, one hand is closing around the neck.

Since clock choke (or koshi-jime) does the same, it has to be considered a variant of okuri-eri-jime.

Regarding bow-and-arrow, it depends a bit onit's the executionsame: ifsince the shoulder is the fixed counter-point, it is okuri-eri-jime. If it is actually the neck which is fixed against my pull, it is kata

Kata-hate-jime is without active fixation, it can basically only be performed against the ground, from above.

Official classifications are hard to find, therefore this is derived purely from the underlying principles of the chokes as demonstrated in katame-no-kata.

What the second hand in okuri-eri-jime does is securing the shoulder, even if it does so holding the lapel. That is why jigoku-jime is considered okuri-eri: one limb is securing the shoulder, one hand is closing around the neck.

Since clock choke (or koshi-jime) does the same, it has to be considered a variant of okuri-eri-jime.

Regarding bow-and-arrow, it depends a bit on the execution: if the shoulder is the counter-point, it is okuri-eri-jime. If it is actually the neck which is fixed against my pull, it is kata-ha-jime.

Official classifications are hard to find, therefore this is derived purely from the underlying principles of the chokes as demonstrated in katame-no-kata.

What the second hand in okuri-eri-jime does is securing the shoulder, even if it does so holding the lapel. That is why jigoku-jime is considered okuri-eri: one limb is securing the shoulder, one hand is closing around the neck.

Since clock choke (or koshi-jime) does the same, it has to be considered a variant of okuri-eri-jime.

Regarding bow-and-arrow, it's the same: since the shoulder is the fixed counter-point, it is okuri-eri-jime.

Kata-te-jime is without active fixation, it can basically only be performed against the ground, from above.

Official classifications are hard to find, therefore this is derived purely from the underlying principles of the chokes as demonstrated in katame-no-kata.

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Philip Klöcking
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What the second hand in okuri-eri-jime does is securing the shoulder, even if it does so holding the lapel. That is why jigoku-jime is considered okuri-eri: one limb is securing the shoulder, one hand is closing around the neck.

Since clock choke (or koshi-jime) does the same, it has to be considered a variant of okuri-eri-jime.

Regarding bow-and-arrow, it depends a bit on the execution: if the shoulder is the counter-point, it is okuri-eri-jime. If it is actually the neck which is fixed against my pull, it is kata-ha-jime.

Official classifications are hard to find, therefore this is derived purely from the underlying principles of the chokes as demonstrated in katame-no-kata.